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Fatherland II & Joint CW Tech-Tre

This form is intended to be a platform for the developers of Fatherland II, a modification for Hearts of Iron 3, and those who are interested in contributing with ideas.


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    Roeben
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    Post  Roeben Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:50 pm

    We all know about the Nazi experiments, wouldn't it be fun to have some of the more realistic versions somehow added to this mod?

    Here is a short selection, courtesy of Something Awful.

    Panzerkampfwagen "Maus"

    Type: Ridiculously Gigantic Tank

    Specific Features: Weighing in at a scale-breaking 188 tons of love and measuring over 10 meters in length, the Maus is the largest tank built to this day. The M1A1 Abrams, by comparison, weighs in at a mere 67 tons. Of course the Abrams can actually move. With a top speed of only 20 kilometers per hour on roads the Maus also has the dubious distinction of being one of the slowest tanks built during the Second World War. Not to mention that if it actually drove on any road it would leave behind it a terrain of buckled asphalt. The armor on the turret's front, the thickest armor on most tanks, was almost a quarter of a meter thick and was completely impervious to any anti-tank weapons of the day. Unfortunately, it was vulnerable to direct strikes from heavy bombs, which just happened to be falling like raindrops thanks to the epic bombing campaigns of the United States and Great Britain. More importantly the Maus was vulnerable to engineering charges, throwing a tread, or being immobilized by mines, all very real risks for even much faster and more maneuverable tanks.

    Even the armament of the Maus was ridiculous by any standard. The Maus mounted a 128mm main gun that would punch through enemy armor like a thrown sock punches through a wall made out of gelatin. To ludicrously augment this offensive capacity the Maus also mounted a 75mm cannon designed to fire explosive rounds at infantry. Seeing this thing on the battlefield, even just one of them, would be the military equivalent of a goddamn boss fight. Hell, if some lucky Soviets managed to blow one up I'm sure they would expect their aiming-port to start flashing and the tank to reappear twice as big and colored red.



    Saenger "Amerika" Orbital Bomber

    Type: Crazy Science Fiction Plane

    Specific Features: One of the most "out there" aircraft conceived in a wide field of really crazy planes that often got really far in the design process, Saenger's "Amerika" bomber was intended to be capable of rapidly deploying to attack any target anywhere in the world. The aircraft was revolutionary on many fronts, from its incredible (and likely terminal) speed to its bizarre launch method, Saenger was willing to "go there". His sort of fantastical approach to science was extremely popular with engineers and scientists in Germany, sometimes producing amazing technology; other times wasting incredible amounts of resources in otherwise obvious pipedreams.

    The Amerika Bomber, had it ever passed the prototyping stage, would have been propelled into the air by a massive 600-ton thrust liquid fuel rocket. Not content to simply shoot stuff into the air, Saenger wanted to use this massive booster to shoot a rocket train into the air. The Amerika Bomber was to be mounted on a monorail dolly that also mounted the booster unit. The dolly would have shot down a three kilometer long angled rail in a mere 11 seconds and lifted the Amerika Bomber into the sky roughly a mile. At this point the aircraft's beastly internal rocket thruster would have activated and lifted the plane to a low-orbit altitude of 145 kilometers and a speed of 22,100kph. The plane could have theoretically reached any location on the planet in under an hour and dropped a single 8,000lb bomb. With Germany's actual innovations in precision and wire-guided bombs this means individual buildings in major cities around the world could have been targeted by a massive conventional bomb. Other options include dropping in German storm troops, crazy battle robots, or possibly thousands of spiders.


    "Vampir" ZG 1229 Infrared System

    Type: Evil Sounding Optic System

    Specific Features: The Vampir was not the first German Infrared System, but by the end of the war in 1945 it was the most compact and advanced system they had. The technology itself dates back to around the start of the war, when engineers developed the first infrared rangefinder for German light anti-tank artillery. This was improved and some heavier direct-fire artillery was equipped with it as well. By 1944 the Germans had developed a version flexible enough to be mounted on the Panther tank (Germany's most technologically advanced and complex tank) and by the last year of the war were ready to issue the man-portable Vampir system.

    The Vampir system consisted of a "black" spot light, one component of its active infrared system, fixed atop the impressive StG-44 assault rifle. Below this infrared light was a range finder that could detect the light emitted by the IR lamp. Since this light was invisible to anyone not equipped with the system it gave a massive edge over relying on flashlights and flares for illumination. The system mounted on the gun was linked by insulated wire to a heavy battery pack and simple control box that the soldier wore in place of his normal gear. Think of it as a very crude analog to today's "OICW" system being developed by the United States. It could transform a normal soldier it one capable of fighting in complete darkness, be it a cave or a moonless night, without revealing his position.

    There is dispute over whether or not the Vampir was actually issued to combat soldiers. Some reports claim it was given to special units of the Waffen-SS for testing, others claim it was issued to crews of the similarly equipped Panther tanks (although this seems unlikely due to the unit's bulk). My theory is that what few units were combat-ready were probably issued to the ultra-elite commandos of commanders like Otto Skorzeny and perhaps in the final defense of Berlin. Chances are we will never know the exact truth as no photographs exist of troops utilizing the weapons in the field, but the system was proven to work.



    Other Possible experimental weapons are the American Project Habakkuk, the German The V3 artillery system and the nuclear submarine/floating silo combo.

    I'm not talking about units here. I'm talking about flavor events. The Vampir system however, could become a tech.
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    Post  Le-Boehm Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:17 pm

    As we cover the CW-Era some of the mentioned should be simple become the German Vision of Units:

    Maus as first super-heavy Tank, followed by Tiger III S (Basis E-100 chassis), and fictional successors.
    The real armored flavor Craziness would be units like Landkreuzer Ratte (P.1000) and Monster (P.1500).

    Vampir as early infrared system tech.

    The Plans for Submarine started V1 and V2 => early SSG(N) like JB-2 Loon (an V1) on USS Cusk and Carbonero.


    Habakkuk, V3, and Amerika-Bomber are somehow their own stories.
    Roeben
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    Post  Roeben Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:04 pm

    Lets also introduce the horten ho 229 ''Stealth'' fighter, infamous for being the only plane able get close to making the 1000/1000/1000 requirement.

    Perhaps a German Cold-war light cruiser variant could be the XI, the submarine with 4 105mm guns.
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    Post  Phönix Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:16 pm

    Like the idea a lot, but can techs be blocked for other nations, since it would be much cooler if only Germany had things like "the Maus". Every nation should have a couple of unique units, that are not simply unique by name.
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    Post  Simples... Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:16 pm

    Yes they can.
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    Post  Karelian Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:25 pm

    Once again I have to ruin the fun by stating that since the mod is also aiming to create a tech tree for general Cold War use, I find the unique unit approach quite unlikely. Wink

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